i saw him do best, probably his two best debates, suzanne were the florida debates with when newt gingrich had beat him lining a pulp in the south carolina debates a few weeks before. so i think that could actually be an advantage for mitt romney. he seems to be good under pressure. but, you know, listen, both these guys have a lot of strengths and some weaknesses. the question is -- >> let's talk specific. >> the nastiness is time out for that. we know the base of both political parties are very enthusiastic. this is about appealing to those undecided moderates and independents and nasty is not cool. >> let's talk about -- let's talk about appealing to latino voters. there's a new poll out today. back in 2008 mccain had 31% of latino vote. that was not as good as george w. bush in 2004 he had 44% of latino vote. romney need at least a quarter to a third of latino vote toeshs competitive in states like colorado where the debate is and that kind of thing. real quickly because i want to get to donna on this issue. what does he need to do to appeal to latino voters? >> i think latino voters n